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Friday, February 27, 2009

Round and round we go....

"And those who were seen to be dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music...."

-- Friedrich Nietzsche

Well folks, finally what I was expecting to happen for some time has happened. We have broken and closed below the Nov lows on the SPX and on the DOW..On the DOW by a big margin.

Chart -

Why our market is still showing resilience is still a mystery to me. Manipulation? Or just a delayed effect? Either case, my gut is saying we touch 2525 soon.

The other side of the coin is the low which I expect will come sometime in March or worst case early April may just be the BUY of a lifetime. Its coming but not yet.

We shall see.

Have a good weekend...Ciao! :)


PS: Any ideas on how the RIL-RPL merger might affect markets on Monday? To me something smells fishy...But I'd appreciate thoughts from others...

Thursday, February 26, 2009

Interesting Juncture

12:45 PM Update - Okay again lulling us back to sleep. Be alert for a quick move. 2730 on upside and 2710 on downside...Break of 2710 and we can move quick to 2660. Maybe thats it for today. Be careful out there. Consolidation at the lows in this kind of flag pattern is never good for bulls. I did not do any trades today. Still holding to positional shorts from 2780 odd. Last update from my side today. Goodnight!

11:30 AM Update - Well well what do you know...2740 is broken...Interesting...Next support is ofcourse 2660. Break this 2660-2600 range and I think thats it for the bulls. This is typical market maker the bullish side...or just let the volatility die down for a long time...lull everyone to sleep and then trigger move in one direction - This makes sure that very few players are on the bus for the move...And we all miss the move...This is why we need to be very alert in this market. :)

ALSO the inverse HnS I talked about before is also invalidated now.
We are at a very interesting point in the markets...I cant believe that US market is so close to breaking the November lows and we are no where near it. I think this can get resolved very very fast - knowing our markets. VIX is down for now but things can change very fast. We are looking at a big move soon. I still vote for down...

Okay now coming to the levels. 2740-2720 is important support. 2800 is resistance. Above 2800, we can run quick to 2860, 2880 and 2920 areas. There is a very big intraday inverse HnS developing which projects to 2900 odd. So thats a danger point for shorts. But I am holding to my futures shorts and some puts I entered yesterday. The timing was bad on the puts but the futures shorts are looking good.

As I said before a move above 2920 means market is turning more bullish and I think the short strategy will have to be abandoned.

I see a lot of confusion in the markets now. And the market makers are using this to move the markets. Yesterday was a classic example.

I will post some more a little later if I see something important developing.

Also charts will follow later.


Expiry Fun

Yeah...2800...Someone wise told me never to trade on expiry days :) What a move in the end...Someone seemed desperate to get it close to 2800. Well tomorrow is another day - lets see if we get follow through.

The intraday inverse HNS has almost completed target BUT there seems to be another bigger one developing that could target 2880-2900. Danger for shorts. But let me look at some more data and charts before posting again later.


Wednesday, February 25, 2009

Building Cause - Intraday Updates

Okay last I promise :) ... We look to be resolving oversold condition intraday right now by going mostly sidewise..I wish I could stay up to see what happens but going to sleep..Good night!

Okay one final EDIT - I am dipping into some 2700 March PUTs right here. Very few. Scaling in. Will add more tomorrow.

EDIT: 11:20 AM IST : Hmmnn...Interesting position...Looks like we are back at 2740...Now we can take this on upside and never look back with a good rally or totally fail here..Its basically a toss up right now. I dont think I am going to do any trades today. Sitting with my shorts from 2780 odd yesterday. Goodnight All.
I intend to continue this tomorrow. So expecting more comments from everyone! :)

EDIT: 10:30 AM IST : Okay it looks like 2740 area is providing support for now. See chart below which shows why and the confluence of support in this area. For downmove to continue, we need to break this and then ofcourse break 2680-2660 as is clearly visible below in the chart. I expect we can try to move a bit more higher as long we as we hold 2740. I might add a few puts if we do manage to go higher - so far, I have done nothing today.

I am starting something a bit new here. I.E a thread each and every day for intraday updates. I will post thoughts every few hours but ONLY if I see something worth posting. And ofcourse until I go to sleep. :)

So if you are a faithful reader of this blog, please visit during market hours also as I will post updates whenever I see something worth posting.

Another thing - I note there are many regular readers here. If you like this blog and the material posted here, please tell your friends also. Also if you think of any way I can improve this blog - new material you would like to see - or anything else for that matter, please let me know. If it is infact feasible, I will get it done.

Okay..One more thing..Earlier post, I know it was boring..Macroeconomics and all that..I know most of you guys are focussed on what will make you money today...BUT understand that all this macro views are important to us all..And simple fact of the matter is - It will help you make decisions on your short term trades also.

A simple example. 2 months back, I used to try the long/bullish side for positional trading..even though I fully knew that the situation is bad...And what happened? I lost on most of those tries. Bearish positions on the other hand continued to win big...What I learned in this is..Never trade against the BIG PICTURE. To do that, you need to understand WHAT that is..And I am sure most people do not know!

Now dont get me wrong..I still scalp on the long side..I dont post that here..Or its just a 1 day trade like I did a day back with good profits...But I dont do that unless 1) I can get out quickly 2) I know odds favour me 3) Risk vs Reward is good.

Okay coming to market today...The inverse HNS pattern I talked about yesterday targets 2800-2820 odd...So I expect we shall tag this area...I started shorting yesterday...Might do some more today via March PUTs...2860 above means I am wrong above this short term and we can go above to around 2920..Unlikely but something we should be aware of when trading in these conditions...

Either way I think we are building cause for the downside.

More thoughts later...I might add EDIT thoughts into this post itself a little later.



Now this is going to be a funda post...So if anyone wants to skip go ahead - But I would recommend to read it very carefully since its something that will affect our actual lives also...Not just trading.

In earlier post - Sajal(Long.Short) raised some very clear thought out and important points...I am pasting this in here as I think everyone should be able to see the counter points to my earlier post.

1.What I have understood from your explanation that you are trying to establish a theory where--i) US will suffer a depression in the coming years ;ii)while India and China will shine.I don't know if I understood correctly but at least that I got from your undertone.

Just here lies my problem. If your first premise is true then your second assumption should be wrong.
Rather it seems like the stupid "decoupling theory" that cropped up Nov -- early Jan last year in our market which was ultimately shattered by just 2 back-to-back down circuit in Jan.
My point is --
a) In 1944,Bretton-Wood accord established the US$ supremacy in exchange-rate world over.It is the US economy which creates and circulates US $.

b)Politically US is the super-power and I am not seeing any country who can dethrone US in near terms. So, Bretton-Wood will continue.

c)If US recovers then a mojor contribution will come from this US$ supremacy by Bretton-Wood.I mean other economies will help US to recover by forgoing their own growth.

d)What earnings you are looking today of the Indian Incs, can change dramatically within a quarter or two.So we should not give much importance to the present marksheet of them.

Lastly,in short,my point is If US suffers nobody in the rest of world can avoid sluggishness(at least).Once a French President said beautifully... tying with US is like sharing a life-boat with an elephant.

Now I totally agree with most of these points...Dont get me wrong...I like to see the 2 sides of the coin...And most of these things, I have already thought about a lot...I will try to outline my thoughts in order - But remember one thing...Economics is really a very very grey area - No one knows what can happen..Its more of speculation at a different level which is why I prefer to stick to TA - Atleast we have that to guide our trading...BUT its always good to have an idea of the BIG PICTURE...It will help in our trading - Always.

My thoughts - Sure USA is the major power now...And logically we must conclude that IF USA goes into a depression, the whole world will. Now this might be true in the beginning of the slow period but eventually others will step up to the plate is what my view is.

In every major economic cycle, we see one major economy crumbling, and another one stepping up to take its place. These are not 1 or 2 year events but a big process. For example, before the last great depression, England was the super power...Now its just a shadow of its original form. Same as for the Roman, Persian and Greek empires. The rise and fall - roughly will span around 200-300 years. I think the fall of the USA has started. And the rise of some other powers have also started. I feel for sure that China will be one of them. India on the other hand, not so sure but I do think we will also come close.

Now, HOW is the big question? Where will demand or growth come from? Well it has to come from within..Simple..No other way. This is one thing which I feel pained about - India is a service oriented economy - The way it is now - We will not be able to survive for long. We need to start building from within - Thats the only way demand and growth gets going. In the first part of the 20th century, there was a massive wave of infrastructure growth in USA - this is what fed the growth cycle. Same needs to happen elsewhere. China is on the right path - Recent plans show that. I am disappointed with the so called stimulus plans India has now..We need to stimulate growth from within...Period.

Okay enough of my rant.. :)

Now I can be totally totally wrong here. Its just a debate. Economists are probably more than often wrong - Else we would have seen this crisis coming. So what can we do?...Just trudge along trading these markets until we see some light. I will remain very long term bullish until that multiyear bull channel is taken out on the sensex. If this happens, well, I dont want to think about the state of the system then. Lets keep our fingers crossed that this does not happen.

Okay I know I bored you guys...Here is something more before I stop. See the image below.

It’s a geographic representation of the impact this financial crisis will exert across various nations as projected by a recent LEAP report -


LEAP/E2020 has studied the situation for the main countries and regions of the world along seven precise criteria enabling to measure their degree of immunity to the financial detonator.

Share of the economy dedicated to the financial sector
Share of the economy dedicated to services
Level of household debt
Quality of financial system and household assets
Relative amount of public debt (municipalities and social systems included)
Relative amount of external debt (trade and payment)
Share of capital-based pensions on overall pension fund system.

Based on these criteria, [the] team was able to identify 6 major groups of countries hardly related geographically but with similar profiles.

The report goes with a projection of approximately how long each of these regions will be affected and also elaborates on main challenges in overcoming this systemic crisis. Great stuff to say the least.

Now you can see, the US and UK will be the worst off...Africa - well nothing will happen to them because of this crisis. China and India will be in a recession period for 2-3 years (US will be in a depression spanning around 5-10 yrs by contrast)
[Different language on the image but you can see what they are saying here]

Now I stress again...All this is speculation. Makes for good debate but not much use in our trading - But it always helps to understand the BIG picture.

Thanks to Sajal for all the valid counter arguments.


Tuesday, February 24, 2009

Lull before the Storm?

EDIT: Wednesday morning after market open...Got out of my calls from yesterday...Thats it for me on the LONG side...Now slowly scaling into shorts...Dont getting me wrong...I will short slowly up to 2860...Cheers to all!
Well how was my timing yesterday? :)
I for one was very happy with it...Covered shorts near the low and took some very low risk longs in calls...In a notional profit right now. I will likely look to cover it very soon - even before expiry - I am obviously not very comfortable holding longs at this juncture...Markets can reverse back down at any point of time...2850 would be the most aggressive target.

Now why did I cover? Below chart explains it...And I did point this out yesterday also...And we got a doji...Seems to be playing out according to plan...We should also get a big up day very soon if its playing according to the plan.

The other interesting thing - If you pull up the intraday chart from yesterday, we seem to have formed an intraday inverse H&S which projects a target to 2800 if we move above yesterdays highs...So worth watching. (pull up a yahoo 5 day chart and see what I am referring to)

Okay so thats my short term outlook and my trading plan...

Now coming to the bigger picture...MVP asked a very interesting and important question in the chat box...Something I have also been wondering for some time...Simply put...why is there a disconnect b/w our markets and the dow or spx...We have broken the lows in DOW or SPX and nifty is still strong...Why? Well I do not have answers but I can speculate...

Something else worthy of note here is that Nasdaq has not broken the lows and looks more strong...It looks more like Nifty so we can compare ourselves to that index...

But...coming to the discrepancy...There are 2 possibilities...

1. If you remember in Oct of 2007, US already started the bear..Much earlier than us...We waited till January to put in the big move down...Market might be held up right now and stealth distribution might be going on...Before the final capitulation move to a bottom...This is one possibility.

2. The second one is a more fundamental one...I.E India is more stronger and is preparing itself for the next bull market...Hence the relative strength.

I think its a mix of above 2. I expect we will tag the bottom of this chart eventually as I have been calling for a while. It may happen sometime within the March-April timeframe. Sensex Monthly attached below.

And I think this will be a very important bottom for our markets...And we might not breach this in the coming months...You can see we have been in a structural long term bull market...Recent bear market non-withstanding...A tag of 6400 on sensex and moving up from there will have me very bullish. We can expect several tests of the channel bottom before the next bull market begins...Ofcourse all this will take a lot of time...Its not a 1 or 2 day event.

But during this time SPX might might just form another term bottom at 650-600 odd and then mount another rally only to break it later...India on the other hand will become more stronger as time goes by...And as the fundamentals regain strength.

This is my longer term view and should be taken with large fists full of salt :)

Earnings wise, I am here in US, I see it, its bad...SPX might have negative earnings very soon...Do you see that for India? No...Sure we are in a slowdown...even recession...But we will recover within 2 yrs or so...US on the other hand if lucky will recover in 5-6 yrs...If NOT, worst case US of A is going into a depression.

Speaking more on the fundamentals, I am appalled at the way policy is moving here right now...Its not good...US of A is moving more toward socialism when we are trying to move more to capitalism...They are worsening the situation with every new policy step they take...If they had done nothing, market and economy might have recovered sooner...This is why I think USA has peaked...New Policy is making it worse...Sure it will stabilize somewhere but I think the boom here in US of A is over...

The next few decades belong to China and India.

Comments welcome.


Monday, February 23, 2009

Some more thoughts

ONE MORE EDIT: I took a gamble on some 2750 FEB CALLS...Pure gamble...If I lose it, I lose just the premium... :) Worth the risk here in my opinion.
EDIT: A little after the market open...Out of my shorts...Flat for now...Now the market can crash without me...LOL :)
We seem to be close to an inflection point right here. I would think that we are very close to a bounce point. Could come from the 2660 area...But if this fails, we could have a quick trip down to 2525-2550. So its a risky area for sure. Either case I am considering taking all my shorts off today and just going flat. I dont want to go long here because of the 'crash' possibility..And believe me, after the US market today, its a very strong possibility. We got to bounce right here on the SPX and DOW, else its crash time. But gotta take that risk I think as a trader..So I will take my shorts off and wait for a bounce to reshort again. Dont want to risk any longs in this market.

Chart below.

Comments welcome.


Sunday, February 22, 2009

Week Ahead - Quick Post

EDIT: Well looks like today was a holiday that I was not aware of until a few minutes back....LOL...Well it happens...Anyways nothing changes in views...We shall see more detail tomorrow sometime....I promise a more detailed and indepth look at things and how I see the next few weeks - intermediate timeframe - playing out...Short term, well a bounce is on the cards...Not that it matters much for the intermediate/medium term.


Meant to do a much more detailed post over the weekend...But a friend of mine visited and right now watching the Oscars....So no cigar...Still a few words and a chart...A more detailed update will follow tomorrow.

Right now, we are at a bounce point...Which is why I reduced shorts on Friday as you could see from my earlier post. I intended to reduce more today but the US futures has screwed up this for me...Now let me clear...I wanted to cut some shorts and then add it back after a bounce...Not that I am turning bullish...

Levels...2730 was obviously very important as I said before...below this 2660 is most important. So from here a bounce into 2820-2860 area was expected...Which is why my plan of cutting and adding came into the picture...Sometimes we have to think on the run...And adjust our plans...More thoughts later...After this bounce, downmove should continue. Chart with important lines and points below - Its self explanatory.