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Monday, March 21, 2011

Some Macro thoughts, Nifty shorter term and a look at a couple of stocks

Macro thoughts...Ofcourse this is only speculation. I think we are going to put in a very important low longer term toward end of this year - this will be a great opportunity for us in India to some some real good stock picking for longer term portfolios. I will be awaiting the next buy on my weekly chart. Shorting like I said before is always a game for the professional in my view. I feel retail guys should always be on the lookout for cash opportunities and focus on picking good stocks when there is doom and gloom in the markets.

I will show a great example in my next post on this and what I mean..What my plan is etc etc.

I think we are going to do a lot of volatile moves over next several months until we get a sustainable bottom.

Remember in 2009/2008, US market bottomed in March..We had our ultimate bottom in Oct and a secondary in March. What I mean to say is we are leading the US market by around 4-5 months. This time also we hit a top before them. Too early to say for sure if it was the ultimate top or not though I think it is for now.

Emerging markets are an excellent barometer for what the hot money is doing. And it does look like the 2009 March situation is playing in reverse. Just my take on this.

My very limited cycles knowledge also points toward an important low later this year. We will have to see how it works out over time.

At this moment I dont see any chance of 3500 on Nifty being breached. I think we might get to around 4200-3800 and stabilize over time.

Reposting my comment from earlier post here so ppl dont miss it -
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Stop losses are a real ART Yoda. I have kind of given up on them and instead am focusing on my signals.

Sujatha - tough question. For me this is where a bit of discretion comes in - mean to say more of feel kind of trading. Also simple supports and resistances.

I know the larger picture. Then I take a top down approach from there. For example 5650 broke, I was already building shorts from 5700 odd (gut feel) and when 5500 hit, I covered up, reshorted higher etc etc..I dont know - these kind of things just come my experience over time..And managing trades means I keep risk lower nowadays.

Leverage - I almost keep it at 100%..Mean to say if I have 5 lakhs - I will just short 2 lots = correct value more or less. To add 1 more lot, I need 2.5 more lakhs.

Trading hours big challenge - But I try to manage for a few hours. If I feel some important move will come, I will sit out the full trading day.

Thanks Bee..Read your mail also.

Thanks Prashant..

Ashish, you have asked a very difficult question. I will be completely honest here. Every trader will go bust several times in the stock market. No way out of it. I too have gone bust atleast 2 times. But I always made sure I dont lose more money than I can actually afford to lose.

I remember within first 2 yrs, I went bust once.

I studied lots and came back. Things went well for 3 years or so. Very extremely well for the next 1 year - got very overconfident and starting playing with huge amounts..started playing without SLs etc etc. Ofcourse I dont need to tell you what happened.

I have come to find that money management is the most important thing in trading. Understanding your risk and playing accordingly.

I would say right now, I play with less or NO leverage. Sure profits are smaller but need to keep greed under control. I am net on net okay now. Net profitable I mean. So yes it is possible and you can do it also. First thing needed is belief in yourself.

Lets continue this discussion.


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Now heres a look at a random stock just to show my methodology and how I trade with a top down kind of approach. This is for the long side only. Short side I just focus on Nifty. Lot of comments in chart - open in new window to read.



A look at nifty shorter term. Comments in the chart.



Range contraction is what it is. Today would be interesting for a variety of reasons. One thing I have noticed is the correlation b/w the Indian and US markets has diminished greatly over past few months. So todays strong US move - would be interesting to see how we are going to react.

The FIIs have been using this as a excuse to liquidate nowadays. I think that is when they get the volume to do what they want to do. Means good gap up on world markets; then sell off. It will be interesting to see if the same trend continues today.

5600 remains decisive for the medium term timeframe. IF and thats a BIG IF we manage to get over and sustain 5600 over next few days, then we can go above to test 5800. I would put this as a low probability for now and instead watch how we react at 5500-5550 range. I will be looking to put back on the shorts at this area and then see if we can get to 5600 or if we get back down to test 5300 area again - my money will be on this. Let us see.

Bottom line is this - Trend is down. Rallies should be used to short or exit from longs. How exactly you do this depends on your trade management and personality.

We will focus on EW counts next post.

Later.

More later.

7 comments:

Lee said...

Posting my earlier comment here also -

Stop losses are a real ART Yoda. I have kind of given up on them and instead am focusing on my signals.

Sujatha - tough question. For me this is where a bit of discretion comes in - mean to say more of feel kind of trading. Also simple supports and resistances.

I know the larger picture. Then I take a top down approach from there. For example 5650 broke, I was already building shorts from 5700 odd (gut feel) and when 5500 hit, I covered up, reshorted higher etc etc..I dont know - these kind of things just come my experience over time..And managing trades means I keep risk lower nowadays.

Leverage - I almost keep it at 100%..Mean to say if I have 5 lakhs - I will just short 2 lots = correct value more or less. To add 1 more lot, I need 2.5 more lakhs.

Trading hours big challenge - But I try to manage for a few hours. If I feel some important move will come, I will sit out the full trading day.

Thanks Bee..Read your mail also.

Thanks Prashant..

Ashish, you have asked a very difficult question. I will be completely honest here. Every trader will go bust several times in the stock market. No way out of it. I too have gone bust atleast 2 times. But I always made sure I dont lose more money than I can actually afford to lose.

I remember within first 2 yrs, I went bust once.

I studied lots and came back. Things went well for 3 years or so. Very extremely well for the next 1 year - got very overconfident and starting playing with huge amounts..started playing without SLs etc etc. Ofcourse I dont need to tell you what happened.

I have come to find that money management is the most important thing in trading. Understanding your risk and playing accordingly.

I would say right now, I play with less or NO leverage. Sure profits are smaller but need to keep greed under control. I am net on net okay now. Net profitable I mean. So yes it is possible and you can do it also. First thing needed is belief in yourself.

Lets continue this discussion.

Best.

alphabet1 said...

@Lee

You are over-analyzing. Just keep it simple and short.
If you trade, then projections too long in the horizon is suicidal.
As you trade in Nifty
a) in ranging market, like nowdays, a trading plan for next day is long term.
b) when trending market, just look for the entry set up and the set up to keep-holding. (for exit dont bother till trailing SL hit)

Sujatha said...

Hi,

Quote - Sujatha-tough question.

Answer - So started ur blog with a "headache" :D

Absolutely right one should trade "which method suits to their personality" and money management is impt.

By the way for your reading - this is from BALANANDANji's view - VIPANI blog

Sunday, November 28, 2010
On Friday(26-11-10)Nifty closed at 5752 with a loss of 48 points, in M2(Prati Madhyamam Low: 5464, Centre:5642 & Top: 5797). Off course, there was 100 points up move from 5690 to 5812 due to exceptional Friday effect as anticipated. Nifty spot range was 5690 - 5839 where as Nifty futures range was 5727 - 5867. For other details please refer table above. Agni level for tomorrow is at 5737.

The following are wild thoughts. It may or may not happen. However, writing it as feeling is high due to the planetary positions now(see the chart below)- all planets congregate around angles 0, 90, 180 and 270 angles which linked together will draw a cross(+) which is very damaging to the market and also to the whole world. On the above basis it it felt that market after touching a low of 5642 may move up to 5797 or to 5952 and start to fall fast and may move to 2008 lows. "Pahima" in Sanskrit means "save me".If we consider the Nifty move from 6357 - 2252 as "Pa" (corrective wave A)and 2252 - 6339 as "Hi" (wave B) then "Ma" (wave C)has started downwards from 6339 and it may move down to 2252 or more than that. (If Nifty had crossed 2008 high of 6357 this theory would have been invalidated). In April/May of odd years ( 2005, 2007, 2009 etc) Nifty usually moves to S (Shadjam), and in April/May 2011 either it should move to 3968 or 7936. The chances of 3968 cannot be ruled out. Don't be in panic. It's just a feeling and it may take time. Use your favorite TA tools also to trade profitably. -NANDI

food for TA thoughts???

jyoti said...

Sir, In the Charts when investing for long term are we to follow 15 sma, on daily Charts, Also what is kpl Swing indicator, What r its parameters & how to feed on daily charts.

Nice blog.

Thanks

Lee said...

Hi Alpha,

You are over-analyzing. Just keep it simple and short.

- Am I really? What is your criteria for making this determination? What is under and what is over-analsing?

If you trade, then projections too long in the horizon is suicidal.

- OK. Yes. Maybe. If you are doing well in lower timeframes, then I say stick to that. That might fit your personality and you are doing an injustice visiting here and elsewhere. So stick to your own!

As you trade in Nifty
a) in ranging market, like nowdays, a trading plan for next day is long term.
b) when trending market, just look for the entry set up and the set up to keep-holding. (for exit dont bother till trailing SL hit)

- Yes yes and yes. No arguments. But still I will stick to trading along my frequency and my personality. Anything else will be like an 'allergy' to me.

Best.

Lee said...

Hi Jyothi,
read this link for more info. Rest of it just play along the different timeframes - daily or weekly.

http://www.vfmdirect.com/kplswing/index.html

Contact me for more info and I will be more than happy to guide you.

Thanks!

jyoti said...

sir,
Read about kpl swing, its 20 days high now are we to trade like we trade JNSAR i.e. if price above 20dh means long, Are we to take 20dhsma or 20dhema !!!. Kindly clarify.

Thanks.